are you going to cut in defense? obviously with the minimum wage that doesn't increase the government budget. look, we're willing to look at combinations of things but the president has put his idea on the table. if my colleague paul ryan wants to put another idea on the table, we'll obviously take a look at that going forward. >> this is sort of symbol ig on both sides but to me, i was at least a little gratified, republicans think maybe you could do something with corporate taxation and, you know, something with the taxes that are staying overseas and do some infrastructure stuff, maybe they're open to that. at least there are seeds of what looks to be things that could get done. it's symbolic. i wish the president would be more persuasive about corporate tax reform. let me ask you one philosophical question, chris. >> yes. >> that is while we're trying to decide how to help people that need help, there are two thoughts. one is that we don't want to entrench people into dependency. you look at how many people are o